Discussion Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: rachel on November 10, 2017, 07:10:20 am
Title: Is this racist?
Post by: rachel on November 10, 2017, 07:10:20 am
I was playing a video game yesterday and this person showed up saying he wanted to kill all white parents and business owners. I said he was being racist but he replied "nah u cant be racist to white ppl"
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[2017-11-09 17:40:31][chat]: rachel: hi Antifa91 [2017-11-09 17:40:38][chat]: rachel: make america great again [2017-11-09 17:40:41][chat]: Antifa91: hi rachel [2017-11-09 17:40:42][chat]: rachel: xD [2017-11-09 17:40:54][chat]: Antifa91: im gonna behead all white parents lol [2017-11-09 17:41:03][chat]: rachel: wow that's racist [2017-11-09 17:41:10][chat]: rachel: how does it feel being racist? [2017-11-09 17:41:16][chat]: Antifa91: nah u cant be racist to white ppl [2017-11-09 17:41:21][chat]: rachel: LOL [2017-11-09 17:41:26][chat]: rachel: that's the most racist shit I've ever heard [2017-11-09 17:41:27][chat]: rachel: :) [2017-11-09 17:41:49][chat]: Antifa91: racism is a power structure [2017-11-09 17:42:01][chat]: Antifa91: with white ppl at the top at least in the US [2017-11-09 17:42:02][chat]: rachel: racism is discriminating against somebody based on their race [2017-11-09 17:42:15][chat]: Antifa91: that's a big part but it's not the whole story [2017-11-09 17:42:16][chat]: rachel: it's a simple word that has a simple definition [2017-11-09 17:42:27][chat]: rachel: you're talking about institutional racism [2017-11-09 17:42:35][chat]: rachel: which is a separate concept from individual racism [2017-11-09 17:42:53][chat]: rachel: institutions like the government or police can be racist, and individuals can be racist too [2017-11-09 17:43:06][chat]: Antifa91: well, as I see it individual racism is contributing to institutional racism [2017-11-09 17:43:27][chat]: rachel: sure, but you can't claim that individual racism doesn't exist against whites [2017-11-09 17:43:36][chat]: rachel: people can be racist against anybody [2017-11-09 17:43:56][chat]: Antifa91: ok, lets say some black dude hates white ppl [2017-11-09 17:43:59][chat]: rachel: sure [2017-11-09 17:44:07][chat]: rachel: that's racist because he hates people based on their race [2017-11-09 17:44:18][chat]: rachel: it's the same as a white person hating black people or a middle easterner hating jews [2017-11-09 17:44:25][chat]: rachel: xDD [2017-11-09 17:44:44][chat]: rachel: anybody can be racist [2017-11-09 17:44:53][chat]: Antifa91: what can he do tho? he can be a bully or an asshole, but that's it really, because he doesn't have institutions on his side [2017-11-09 17:45:03][chat]: rachel: or he can be nice to people [2017-11-09 17:45:08][chat]: rachel: like everyone else? [2017-11-09 17:45:10][chat]: rachel: *shrug* [2017-11-09 17:45:20][chat]: rachel: and not hate people based on their race? [2017-11-09 17:45:21][chat]: rachel: xD [2017-11-09 17:46:49][chat]: Antifa91: yeah, sure, but what I'm saying is that black 'racism' against whites might be upsetting but it doesn't kill anyone [2017-11-09 17:49:00][chat]: Antifa91: anyway have a nice day rachel, i've got to get back to beheading small business owners [2017-11-09 17:49:06][chat]: Antifa91: :) [2017-11-09 17:49:12][chat]: Antifa91: (white ones that is)
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: Black T Cat on January 22, 2018, 03:38:10 pm
This person could be charged with a hate crime, anyway, if they follow through and get caught
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: JSTLF on January 31, 2018, 02:25:17 am
Racism is prejudice/discrimination/antagonism against another race, so yeah it's racism. (and it's racist to say that you can't be racist against white people)
Title: big dick
Post by: here cums the fuck truck on January 31, 2018, 02:53:36 pm
things like Affirmative Racial Hiring (you have ten equally qualified candidates, so you hire the minority), which emcy hates, are also Individually Racist while working to fight Institutional Racism. Anyway here's the big dick (http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/sr9jtg-l.jpg)
Title: Re: big dick
Post by: Black T Cat on February 04, 2018, 08:24:32 pm
things like Affirmative Racial Hiring (you have ten equally qualified candidates, so you hire the minority), which emcy hates, are also Individually Racist while working to fight Institutional Racism. Anyway here's the big dick (http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/sr9jtg-l.jpg)
you mean like, reverse racism? is that what you're talking about?
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: lemonrising on February 13, 2018, 01:46:19 pm
"Racism against whites doesnt kill anyone. Off to kill white ppl now bye"
Ok
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: here cums the fuck truck on February 13, 2018, 03:39:43 pm
killing white dudes is cool killing black dudes is not cool
deal with it
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: lemonrising on February 18, 2018, 12:30:16 pm
killing white dudes is cool killing black dudes is not cool
deal with it
weren't you the one saying "ironic racism is still racism" like a week ago?
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: here cums the fuck truck on February 18, 2018, 05:05:46 pm
yeah probably
its kind of impossible to be racist against white people tho, its like how everyone kind of admires you if you figure out a scam to beat the casinos house edge.. but then they just click their tongues when you get your hands chopped off, like ah, he knew what he was getting into!! thats what casinos do!!
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: rachel on February 18, 2018, 05:30:05 pm
its kind of impossible to be racist against white people tho, its like how everyone kind of admires you if you figure out a scam to beat the casinos house edge.. but then they just click their tongues when you get your hands chopped off, like ah, he knew what he was getting into!! thats what casinos do!!
is it really impossible to be racist against white people? you just said it was cool to kill white people but not black people, lol
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: here cums the fuck truck on February 18, 2018, 05:39:31 pm
huh i guess its impossible to be sure (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reverse-racism-isnt-a-thing_us_55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97) we'll never know hmm (https://www.dailywire.com/news/9671/can-white-people-be-victims-racism-heres-what-amanda-prestigiacomo)
sucks that this is an opaque issue and we'll never know the truth!!! ?\_(ツ)_/?
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: rachel on February 19, 2018, 07:24:21 pm
huh i guess its impossible to be sure (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reverse-racism-isnt-a-thing_us_55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97) we'll never know hmm (https://www.dailywire.com/news/9671/can-white-people-be-victims-racism-heres-what-amanda-prestigiacomo)
sucks that this is an opaque issue and we'll never know the truth!!! ?\_(ツ)_/?
The only reason it's opaque is because journalists at the Huffington Post, Buzzfeed, et. al claim that it's impossible to be racist against white people.
If you look up the definition of racism, you'll find a very simple answer:
Quote from: https://www.wordnik.com/words/racism
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
It's obvious that institutional racism exists and for a long time has benefited white people in the United States, but institutional racism also exists against whites: https://thisisafrica.me/whites-may-not-own-land/
Here's a video that discusses the points raised in the articles you linked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nbnGUUdQTU
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: weazzy on March 11, 2018, 12:06:04 pm
This person could be charged with a hate crime, anyway, if they follow through and get caught
Would they though? I feel like they'd just be charged with plain 'ol murder
Both. Racially motivated murder makes it harder for the accused to get lesser sentencing
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: Diabolizer on April 02, 2018, 03:04:59 am
It seems as though the way that people use the word "racism" has shifted over the past 5 years or so. It used to be that racism was a synonym of bigotry or prejudice. This is the definition that I grew up with and that I use in everyday speech (I don't find myself discussing racism everyday, but, well you know what I mean). Now when (certain) people say racist, they tend to mean exploiting a system of racial inequality. Something like that.
I don't know why this change came about, but I realized that you could exploit peoples without caring about what races were involved one way or another, so it makes a certain amount of sense.
So next time someone says that you can't be racist against white people, say, "well maybe so, but what you're is doing racial bigotry which makes you just as bad." Then invite them to eat shit and choke on it.
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: rachel on September 26, 2018, 01:26:42 pm
It seems as though the way that people use the word "racism" has shifted over the past 5 years or so. It used to be that racism was a synonym of bigotry or prejudice. This is the definition that I grew up with and that I use in everyday speech (I don't find myself discussing racism everyday, but, well you know what I mean). Now when (certain) people say racist, they tend to mean exploiting a system of racial inequality. Something like that.
It comes from academia, specifically prejudice plus power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power). Academia is also the only explanation I have for this definition suddenly becoming really popular among certain people lately, but I really don't know for sure. All I know is if you go into a conversation where people are using the "prejudice" definition of racism and start using this new definition, you're basically looking for a fight.
Title: Re: Is this racist?
Post by: Fishmé on December 15, 2024, 09:03:04 am
I was playing a video game yesterday and this person showed up saying he wanted to kill all white parents and business owners. I said he was being racist but he replied "nah u cant be racist to white ppl"
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[2017-11-09 17:40:31][chat]: rachel: hi Antifa91 [2017-11-09 17:40:38][chat]: rachel: make america great again [2017-11-09 17:40:41][chat]: Antifa91: hi rachel [2017-11-09 17:40:42][chat]: rachel: xD [2017-11-09 17:40:54][chat]: Antifa91: im gonna behead all white parents lol [2017-11-09 17:41:03][chat]: rachel: wow that's racist [2017-11-09 17:41:10][chat]: rachel: how does it feel being racist? [2017-11-09 17:41:16][chat]: Antifa91: nah u cant be racist to white ppl [2017-11-09 17:41:21][chat]: rachel: LOL [2017-11-09 17:41:26][chat]: rachel: that's the most racist shit I've ever heard [2017-11-09 17:41:27][chat]: rachel: :) [2017-11-09 17:41:49][chat]: Antifa91: racism is a power structure [2017-11-09 17:42:01][chat]: Antifa91: with white ppl at the top at least in the US [2017-11-09 17:42:02][chat]: rachel: racism is discriminating against somebody based on their race [2017-11-09 17:42:15][chat]: Antifa91: that's a big part but it's not the whole story [2017-11-09 17:42:16][chat]: rachel: it's a simple word that has a simple definition [2017-11-09 17:42:27][chat]: rachel: you're talking about institutional racism [2017-11-09 17:42:35][chat]: rachel: which is a separate concept from individual racism [2017-11-09 17:42:53][chat]: rachel: institutions like the government or police can be racist, and individuals can be racist too [2017-11-09 17:43:06][chat]: Antifa91: well, as I see it individual racism is contributing to institutional racism [2017-11-09 17:43:27][chat]: rachel: sure, but you can't claim that individual racism doesn't exist against whites [2017-11-09 17:43:36][chat]: rachel: people can be racist against anybody [2017-11-09 17:43:56][chat]: Antifa91: ok, lets say some black dude hates white ppl [2017-11-09 17:43:59][chat]: rachel: sure [2017-11-09 17:44:07][chat]: rachel: that's racist because he hates people based on their race [2017-11-09 17:44:18][chat]: rachel: it's the same as a white person hating black people or a middle easterner hating jews [2017-11-09 17:44:25][chat]: rachel: xDD [2017-11-09 17:44:44][chat]: rachel: anybody can be racist [2017-11-09 17:44:53][chat]: Antifa91: what can he do tho? he can be a bully or an asshole, but that's it really, because he doesn't have institutions on his side [2017-11-09 17:45:03][chat]: rachel: or he can be nice to people [2017-11-09 17:45:08][chat]: rachel: like everyone else? [2017-11-09 17:45:10][chat]: rachel: *shrug* [2017-11-09 17:45:20][chat]: rachel: and not hate people based on their race? [2017-11-09 17:45:21][chat]: rachel: xD [2017-11-09 17:46:49][chat]: Antifa91: yeah, sure, but what I'm saying is that black 'racism' against whites might be upsetting but it doesn't kill anyone [2017-11-09 17:49:00][chat]: Antifa91: anyway have a nice day rachel, i've got to get back to beheading small business owners [2017-11-09 17:49:06][chat]: Antifa91: :) [2017-11-09 17:49:12][chat]: Antifa91: (white ones that is)
First off, there is a lotta misinterpretation about racism, like the difference between racism, colorism, and ethnicity. Racism is not based in biology, its based in systemic social, societal, and structural systems. Ethnicity is of ones culture and colorism is based on the melanin resulting in variation of skin color. Therefore, someones "race," is based in the social oppression one faces due to the color of their skin in contrast with the ethnicity they hold. (Ex. An east asian individual unuquely faces race based oppression, on the basis of their east asian identity.) Racism is rooted in white supremacy culture, therefore one cannot uphold the pillars of racism upon a white person. (At least that's what they teach in social work). In otherwords, because white people as the dominant identity benifit from racist structures because of being white, systemically, you can't be racist against white people.
It's important to also recognize the misconception of racism and colorism. A lot of people confuse racism with colorism. Additionally, the difference between rascism and prejudice. Racism is a systemic structure, a social structure, not based in biology, but based in culture and oppression. This is very important, because this misconception is actually what props is racism today. The whole idea that, "the civil rights era moved us past racism," just isn't true. Because, it was never entirely about colorism, it was about the systemic structures rooted in white supremacy that prop up white people and disadvantage bipoc folks.
Understanding this answers the question. No, you cannot be racist towards a white person. However, being oppressive or discriminating towards a white person's white identity can be prejudice. In this case, that person is prejudice against white people, not rascist. This distinction is not only important to understand for language purposes, but also for liberation as we seek to dismantle the pillars of oppression and squash white supremacy culture all together.
Lastly, there is difference between structural, institutional, and interpersonal rascism. However, I'll let you learn about that through the content below.
(If you are more educated or of oppressed identities, please correct me if I am getting some of this wrong. That is part of social justice.)